INFO: A System for describing chords and notes to a student.

[TICH]

Looking for a complete system for describing more advanced playing to a
learner who can't seem to grasp the
technology fast enough.

Looking for something like describing specific notes by name,string, fret.

C,2,13

Also, describing chord shapes with names like:

Ascending ladder,
Descending ladder,
3-note male or female symbol
(Idea taken from "The DaVinci Code.)

"Ascending ladder, 4" would mean a ladder shape where each successive note
from the lowest to the highest would fall on the adjacent string but one
fret lower and be comprised of 4 notes.

Further, "5,5,descending ladder,4" would mean: fifth fret, fifth string,
ladder shape is downward toward nut, and is comprised of 4 notes. (Dmaj7)

You see what I'm trying to get at. It would help a student tremendously to
begin learning without having to learn scale degrees, cord naming
conventions, steps, inversions, you know......the whole nine yards.

Would like to hear of a complete system but I'll collaborate with some
people who are interested to build one, Linux-like.

Later,
Sincerely,
Tony.


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[Fletch]

Post by TICH
Looking for a complete system for describing more advanced playing to a
learner who can't seem to grasp the
technology fast enough.

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Post by TICH
You see what I'm trying to get at. It would help a student tremendously to
begin learning without having to learn scale degrees, cord naming
conventions, steps, inversions, you know......the whole nine yards.

Actually, it would benefit a student tremendously to begin learning
scale degrees, chord names, conventions, et al because that is what
learning music is all about. The instrument is just the means to
express the musical ideas.

I know of no 'complete' system because such a system is impractical
and would be prohibitively expensive.

Students usually begin by just learning to play, learning the things
you want to dismiss (which they absolutely will need later), and
gaining a fundamental understanding of their instrument -- the
foundational elements necessary for whatever style they'll move into.

Then they move into more specialized study, which incorporates the
elements that will be added to the foundation mentioned above, to
become the kind of player they desire to be, whether it is Jazz, Rock,
Blues or Classical. Their focus will be on that style and how to
become proficient in that style.

Besides, no musician is ever 'complete' in the sense that they could
or would learn all there is.

The 'system' you speak of is basically this: learn to play, spend your
life learning how to play better and with more versatility and
stylistic diversity. That's the only 'complete' system there is.

This is what I teach my students, that learning is life long and that
there will always be someone better, and from whom they should strive
to learn stuff, too.

--Fletch



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Post by TICH
Looking for a complete system for describing more advanced playing to a
learner who can't seem to grasp the
technology fast enough.
Looking for something like describing specific notes by name,string, fret.
C,2,13
Ascending ladder,
Descending ladder,
3-note male or female symbol
(Idea taken from "The DaVinci Code.)
"Ascending ladder, 4" would mean a ladder shape where each successive note
from the lowest to the highest would fall on the adjacent string but one
fret lower and be comprised of 4 notes.
Further, "5,5,descending ladder,4" would mean: fifth fret, fifth string,
ladder shape is downward toward nut, and is comprised of 4 notes. (Dmaj7)
You see what I'm trying to get at. It would help a student tremendously to
begin learning without having to learn scale degrees, cord naming
conventions, steps, inversions, you know......the whole nine yards.
Would like to hear of a complete system but I'll collaborate with some
people who are interested to build one, Linux-like.
Later,
Sincerely,
Tony.
"Join OLGA!http://www.olga.net/"

It just sounds like you're trying to reinvent the wheel. You are
almost talking about guitar tablature and chord charts. Once you play
around with a particular chord long enough and see its name enough
times you remember it.

If you are just starting with guitar technique, you could just write
the chords down in a chord diagram. If they can't figure that out,
they will not be able to learn anything on their own. There are some
really good big chord charts out there. This one has some ugly
watermarks in it to convince you to buy a paid version, but it works
just fine. http://www.howmusicreallyworks.com/CompleteGuitarChordPoster_WayneChase_FreeEdition.pdf

Fletch is right-- you need to learn chord names and progressions, but
to start you can just figure out chords from chord charts and then
figure out progressions and move on from there.

--Matthew

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[Ian Cowan]

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Post by TICH
Looking for a complete system for describing more advanced playing to a
learner who can't seem to grasp the
technology fast enough.
Looking for something like describing specific notes by name,string, fret.
C,2,13
Ascending ladder,
Descending ladder,
3-note male or female symbol
(Idea taken from "The DaVinci Code.)
"Ascending ladder, 4" would mean a ladder shape where each successive note
from the lowest to the highest would fall on the adjacent string but one
fret lower and be comprised of 4 notes.
Further, "5,5,descending ladder,4" would mean: fifth fret, fifth string,
ladder shape is downward toward nut, and is comprised of 4 notes. (Dmaj7)
You see what I'm trying to get at. It would help a student tremendously to
begin learning without having to learn scale degrees, cord naming
conventions, steps, inversions, you know......the whole nine yards.
Would like to hear of a complete system but I'll collaborate with some
people who are interested to build one, Linux-like.
Later,
Sincerely,
Tony.
"Join OLGA!http://www.olga.net/"

It just sounds like you're trying to reinvent the wheel. You are
almost talking about guitar tablature and chord charts. Once you play
around with a particular chord long enough and see its name enough
times you remember it.
If you are just starting with guitar technique, you could just write
the chords down in a chord diagram. If they can't figure that out,
they will not be able to learn anything on their own. There are some
really good big chord charts out there. This one has some ugly
watermarks in it to convince you to buy a paid version, but it works
just fine. http://www.howmusicreallyworks.com/CompleteGuitarChordPoster_WayneChase_FreeEdition.pdf
Fletch is right-- you need to learn chord names and progressions, but
to start you can just figure out chords from chord charts and then
figure out progressions and move on from there.
--Matthew

I second? third? these replies.
It takes months for a beginner to hear & eg correct chord progressions
from a melody.

& later circle of 5ths - perfect circle.

I try to start them with simple songs, nursery rhymes.
initially 3 or 4 strings [ easy to play, change quickly]
& 2 chord songs - eg jambalaya, tom dooley
later on three chord songs
" 4 " "

etc

Somewhere i add the same simple songs in different keys.

At the same time i also give a little on the basics of music.
gradually getting into scales & keys etc.
I don't think it's hard.
just detailed & like a child you learn one step at a time.


HTH

Ian C

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Post by TICH
Looking for a complete system for describing more advanced playing to a
learner who can't seem to grasp the
technology fast enough.

By "technology" I'm assuming that you mean having an instinctive ear
for where to go next. A fairly complete system for seeing all the
options for a given musical chord is the CAGED system which follows
learning the 24 basic open-position chord forms.

But I don't think any system is going to get around having to learn
and play scales and parts of scales a whole lot.


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